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Post Posted: 11/08/16 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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... and the flag pushing them into a secondary slot is inexusable.


Why does it matter which side of the cap the WS logo goes on?
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Post Posted: 11/08/16 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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... and the flag pushing them into a secondary slot is inexusable.


Why does it matter which side of the cap the WS logo goes on?


If a cap is honoring something with a patch, said patch should go in the primary slot. We're not watching the 'New Era World Series', though I wouldn't put it past the people at MLB to do something like that eventually.

And multi-patched caps just look awful. It's far too busy and distracts from the primary purpose of the cap, namely the team's logo. Once you have the NE flag in addition to the special event patch, you have every single quarter of the cap branded. It looks like something a Nascar driver would wear or maybe something given out for free at a sponsored event. It's just tacky and I would never wear something like that. I even consider the traditional patched caps a little garish and only wear them to ballparks.
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Post Posted: 11/08/16 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Guy Gadbois wrote:
jchcollins wrote:
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... and the flag pushing them into a secondary slot is inexusable.


Why does it matter which side of the cap the WS logo goes on?


If a cap is honoring something with a patch, said patch should go in the primary slot. We're not watching the 'New Era World Series', though I wouldn't put it past the people at MLB to do something like that eventually.

And multi-patched caps just look awful. It's far too busy and distracts from the primary purpose of the cap, namely the team's logo. Once you have the NE flag in addition to the special event patch, you have every single quarter of the cap branded. It looks like something a Nascar driver would wear or maybe something given out for free at a sponsored event. It's just tacky and I would never wear something like that. I even consider the traditional patched caps a little garish and only wear them to ballparks.


Agreed. Well said
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Post Posted: 11/08/16 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Guy Gadbois wrote:
jchcollins wrote:
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... and the flag pushing them into a secondary slot is inexusable.


Why does it matter which side of the cap the WS logo goes on?


If a cap is honoring something with a patch, said patch should go in the primary slot. We're not watching the 'New Era World Series', though I wouldn't put it past the people at MLB to do something like that eventually.

And multi-patched caps just look awful. It's far too busy and distracts from the primary purpose of the cap, namely the team's logo. Once you have the NE flag in addition to the special event patch, you have every single quarter of the cap branded. It looks like something a Nascar driver would wear or maybe something given out for free at a sponsored event. It's just tacky and I would never wear something like that. I even consider the traditional patched caps a little garish and only wear them to ballparks.


Agreed. Well said


I didn't know there was such a thing as the "primary" slot. Point taken. I guess you guys just care about things like this more than I do. To me whatever is "authentic" on the field means the most. So there are some eras where less was authentic, and some now where more is. I have no doubt that either way - change is certain and nothing will remain constant for long. Just given how ridiculous the Cubs radio broadcasts have become, (the reading of the uniform descriptions is sponsored, as are the lights) I would not be surprised if we one day have the "Viagra endurance World Series". ;0
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Post Posted: 11/08/16 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
jchcollins wrote:
LegalAmerican wrote:
Guy Gadbois wrote:
jchcollins wrote:
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... and the flag pushing them into a secondary slot is inexusable.


Why does it matter which side of the cap the WS logo goes on?


If a cap is honoring something with a patch, said patch should go in the primary slot. We're not watching the 'New Era World Series', though I wouldn't put it past the people at MLB to do something like that eventually.

And multi-patched caps just look awful. It's far too busy and distracts from the primary purpose of the cap, namely the team's logo. Once you have the NE flag in addition to the special event patch, you have every single quarter of the cap branded. It looks like something a Nascar driver would wear or maybe something given out for free at a sponsored event. It's just tacky and I would never wear something like that. I even consider the traditional patched caps a little garish and only wear them to ballparks.


Agreed. Well said


I didn't know there was such a thing as the "primary" slot. Point taken. I guess you guys just care about things like this more than I do. To me whatever is "authentic" on the field means the most. So there are some eras where less was authentic, and some now where more is. I have no doubt that either way - change is certain and nothing will remain constant for long. Just given how ridiculous the Cubs radio broadcasts have become, (the reading of the uniform descriptions is sponsored, as are the lights) I would not be surprised if we one day have the "Viagra endurance World Series". ;0


There is no such thing as the "primary slot" he is just designating the left side of a hat such based on his views of hat aesthetics and the perpetual burr in his saddle over the NE logo.
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Post Posted: 11/08/16 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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There is no such thing as the "primary slot" he is just designating the left side of a hat such based on his views of hat aesthetics and the perpetual burr in his saddle over the NE logo.


'Perpetual'? I just found out about the change a month or so ago and own several caps complete with (tonal) flag that I like just fine. I even defended it after seeing it in person on my first custom. But a non-tonal flag that trumps all other patches means I probably won't be buying new caps for my collection right after I just got started. That's kind of a big deal to me but I apologize if the issue dominates my posting right now.

And let's call NE up, tell them there's no 'primary slot', ask them to switch slots for the flag and postseason patches and see what they think. I don't know the physiological science behind it but patches look best on the left and that seems to be where the eye is drawn as well. Something tells me the money grubbers at NE have done significant research in this area. I know I would if I was trying to pimp my brand on prime marketing real estate.
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Post Posted: 11/08/16 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The thing about patches, though, is they they themselves are a moneygrab.
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Post Posted: 11/08/16 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The thing about patches, though, is they they themselves are a moneygrab.


Yes, but by that logic any one-off is a money grab. I grade each by their individual quality and personally I like the postseason caps. I respect the purists who don't like them however and wouldn't object if they stopped releasing them. Same goes for the batterman.

I don't buy virtually any other one-offs but that's largely because I think most look awful and it's hard to find MUSA's even when they are well designed. But from a collector's perspective I have no problem with those one-off cash grabs in theory. One-offs make for fun hunting.
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Post Posted: 11/08/16 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Guy Gadbois wrote:
Hat Guru wrote:
There is no such thing as the "primary slot" he is just designating the left side of a hat such based on his views of hat aesthetics and the perpetual burr in his saddle over the NE logo.


'Perpetual'? I just found out about the change a month or so ago and own several caps complete with (tonal) flag that I like just fine. I even defended it after seeing it in person on my first custom. But a non-tonal flag that trumps all other patches means I probably won't be buying new caps for my collection right after I just got started. That's kind of a big deal to me but I apologize if the issue dominates my posting right now.

And let's call NE up, tell them there's no 'primary slot', ask them to switch slots for the flag and postseason patches and see what they think. I don't know the physiological science behind it but patches look best on the left and that seems to be where the eye is drawn as well. Something tells me the money grubbers at NE have done significant research in this area. I know I would if I was trying to pimp my brand on prime marketing real estate.


Thankfully NE's deal runs out sometime around 2030 so you have some time to think this through...

If the logo bothers you that much understand that's your choice, if the logo's going to prevent you from buying all hats then so be it. Having bought customs and MiLB hats I don't like it but I value a) USA made and b) good fits ahead of other criteria. Your mileage obviously varies.

You are giving NE far too much credit on "research".
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Post Posted: 11/08/16 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh, I totally get why people like the one-offs, they're just not for me. The only one I have is the Brewers' barrelman. But, I also don't hate Diamond Era BP hats as much as most.


[quote="Guy Gadbois"][quote="m_y_t_h"]The thing about patches, though, is they they themselves are a moneygrab.[/quote]

Yes, but by that logic any one-off is a money grab. I grade each by their individual quality and personally I like the postseason caps. I respect the purists who don't like them however and wouldn't object if they stopped releasing them. Same goes for the batterman.

I don't buy virtually any other one-offs but that's largely because I think most look awful and it's hard to find MUSA's even when they are well designed. But from a collector's perspective I have no problem with those one-off cash grabs in theory. One-offs make for fun hunting.[/quote]
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Post Posted: 11/08/16 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Thankfully NE's deal runs out sometime around 2030 so you have some time to think this through...

If the logo bothers you that much understand that's your choice, if the logo's going to prevent you from buying all hats then so be it. Having bought customs and MiLB hats I don't like it but I value a) USA made and b) good fits ahead of other criteria. Your mileage obviously varies.

You are giving NE far too much credit on "research".


Luckily there are plenty of existing AC 5950's floating around on Ebay. I don't intend to stop collecting, I just won't be buying the new caps so long they have a non-tonal flag. And I absolutely will not buy a patched cap with a flag unless I consider it worth the time and money to do a transplant. I'd say that my will could break but it didn't during a WS matchup that would have been an automatic purchase or two for me in years past so I don't think my stance will change. I'm pretty irritated by that actually.

And I suspect that if there's anything NE actually thinks through, it's how to make more money. Thus: cheaper and cheaper manufacturing locales, lower and lower quality poly and now getting their brand in every baseball fan's living room for three hours every day during the season.
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Post Posted: 11/08/16 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Guy Gadbois wrote:
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Thankfully NE's deal runs out sometime around 2030 so you have some time to think this through...

If the logo bothers you that much understand that's your choice, if the logo's going to prevent you from buying all hats then so be it. Having bought customs and MiLB hats I don't like it but I value a) USA made and b) good fits ahead of other criteria. Your mileage obviously varies.

You are giving NE far too much credit on "research".


Luckily there are plenty of existing AC 5950's floating around on Ebay. I don't intend to stop collecting, I just won't be buying the new caps so long they have a non-tonal flag. And I absolutely will not buy a patched cap with a flag unless I consider it worth the time and money to do a transplant. I'd say that my will could break but it didn't during a WS matchup that would have been an automatic purchase or two for me in years past so I don't think my stance will change. I'm pretty irritated by that actually.

And I suspect that if there's anything NE actually thinks through, it's how to make more money. Thus: cheaper and cheaper manufacturing locales, lower and lower quality poly and now getting their brand in every baseball fan's living room for three hours every day during the season.


You really give NE way too much credit. Way too much.

And to be honest we are lucky it went as long as it did without a maker's mark on a hat. Had NE had it's way it would have happened long ago, if you want to rage against something/someone take it up with MLB itself, they are the ones who allowed it and allowed it for monetary reasons.
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Post Posted: 11/08/16 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
My thought on which side of the hat is the "primary side" is that it's the left simply because when the camera is on the pitcher (which it is for a large portion of the game), you see the left side of the hat because the camera is always on the first base side.

So if the biggest value is advertising the post season, world series, or all star game, you'd want that on the left. If it's advertising for the company and that gets put above the event itself, then you get the flag.
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Post Posted: 11/08/16 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I got over it, NE isn't going to back out of this no matter what. Better believe i stocked up on all the non flagged AC's though. Going forward im only picking new AC's and any MUSA's i can get my hands on.
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Post Posted: 11/08/16 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
[quote="Azfan"]I got over it, NE isn't going to back out of this no matter what. Better believe i stocked up on all the non flagged AC's though. Going forward im only picking new AC's and any MUSA's i can get my hands on.[/quote]

This is pretty much exactly how I feel. As I said before, I'll try to remove the flag, if possible.
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